[quote name='ZERO PHOENIX']Wow Emeralda. You really went off the deep end. Women like you are the reason Feminsim is hell on wheels. It was so easy to goad you out of your comfort zone, put on the pressure, and show everyone what you really thought. You're one of those male-hating types aren't you. Sit down my dear and watch as I bring everything to bear.
"As long as their safety was guaranteed the question of who ruled them really didn't matter."
- Ashram
In your lack of forsight you claimed that this was a sexist remark. How pedestrian of you. This is a quote from the anime Record of Lodoss War which is an anime about war, politics, and the like. Ashram, a character in the story remarked how people (not just women my dear but people in general) don't care who is in charge as long as they are safe. This is a fictional fantasy take on what John Locke proved. I doubt you've read the works of John Locke otherwise you wouldn't have flown off the deep end like you did.
As summarized by Ashram and explained at length by John Locke, people in general don't actually care who is in charge. Whether it's a man, woman, or someone of a different race, different religion or what have you. People are not selfish per se but they're practical. If the safety of a person or group of people is guaranteed then the question of who is in charge doesn't matter.
Even if the people have less rights, so long as they are safe that particular issue doesn't matter. You'd know that if you did less raging and more studying. [/QUOTE]
Aside from the fact that its wrong (feminism proved that much) what the hell has it got to do with feminism? And seriously, quit the personal remarks, it only serves to weaken your point.
Were you born that narrow-minded or did you practice? The female rulers in question where just as prone to the same screw-ups as their male counterparts. The issue with you man hating Feminists is that hating this male dominated world doesn't leave much time to get an education right? It's not about gender it's about the individual in power. A man isn't anymore successful than a woman because he's a man nor is a woman anymore success because she's a woman. For the what, handful of women rulers you claim did a smashing job I can namedrop an equal amount that were spectacular failures. It's not the gender it's the person.
Did they never teach you to attack the argument, and not the person behind it?
Yeah, cause we all know that Cleopatra and Hapsetshut were such peaceful rulers.
Irrelevant really. Men have Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot and whole bunch of other criminals on their side.
Anyways, comparing leaders is stupid as it makes both sides look like idiots.
Feminists fight for a female dominated world and little else. The sad part is the hypocrisy is so rancid I can smell it from here. Even the most butched out Feminist will throw off her beliefs the moment the sh!t hits the fan and she needs a man. If a ship is going doing, she'll pull the "women and children first" card to save her ass. If she gets pregnant she wants to go on maternal leave. Face it, men and women are not equal. Not because of genetics, but because of the world system that BOTH sexes benefit from.
And all Muslims are out on the destruction of the west and to convert everyone to Islam. Not. Its an over generalization thats only true for a very select small group of feminist extremists. And as you just asserted, humans are practical by nature. So of course a feminist will pull a card to save her ass, just as any men would to save his ass. Its hardly fair to judge feminism on general human behavior in case of a life threatening situation.
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I knew it was only a matter of time before you showed this forum you ass. Saves me the trouble of handing it to you. Like a typical Feminist, there is a prejudice taint to everything you say and think because you yourself are prejudice. There is more wrong with you than this male power structure. My arguments are based on Elitism my dear, not Sexism. People who typically have abortions are from lower class households, typically unemployed, and little in the way of an education. They do not contribute to the economy, or their communities so their voice does not need to be heard in the political arena and they have no rights other than what people of higher standing decide they are entitled to. I don't care if it's a man or a woman sweetheart, lower class is lower class. They are as they are not because they are born that way but because they are typically dedicated to being ignorant. They are usually content with feeding off welfare, SS, and the like. They do not contribute to America so their voice really doesn't need to be heard in these United States. It's not a gender thing it's about class. [/QUOTE]
Really, how does this relate to what she said? How does this relate to feminism anyways. So youre an elitist, what has that got do with anything? It doesnt make feminsim any more or any less valid.
So anyways, youre saying that if someone is poor, he cant decide for himself because hes not important enough? Well well, to bad that America has a rather huge underclass, which is also the worker class. And well, your entire economy is pretty much based on it. So, they are not important huh? Well, we will see when they move out and the economy of America collapses over night. No no, they are vital for America, they just are not as well organized as richer people, so thats why they cant really lobby for such things as a class.
Doesnt mean they dont lobby or have any voice in America. Its still a Democracy and there are other lobbies they can support. There are plenty of civil right lobbies who do support the interest of the poorer classes in America.
Anyways, Id like to know where you got all the stuff I put in bold from. Show me the source that says that lower classes do not contribute to America's economy, and that they are generally content with feeding of welfare and that they love to stay ignorant. I call bullshit. Show me that source.
Oh snap. Somebody get a picture of this. This argument is a trainwreck in slow motion. You "DO" realize that the Victorian period was named after Queen Victoria who, during this time was one of the most powerful figures on the planet and still, to this day, remains one of the most powerful figures in history. Yet why did she not tear down the male power structure? Why did she not change the status quo? Because it's not about gender genius it's about what the person in power chooses to do with that power. You choose to crucify millions of powerless men but you will not take issue with Queen Victoria who saw how women were being treated and who did nothing to enact change. You're a gotdamn joke.
What an irrelevant argument, really. Her post was never about Queen Victoria or anything, she just mentioned Victorian times. Your just taking a part of what someone says, take it out of context and then proceeds to attack it. Why? It doesnt further your point if you do not actually respond to someone but just to one small sentence. Not to mention all the personal attacks.
Fascinating. Of course if you had knowledge of any intellectual consequence you would have countered with the Spartans. My, must I instruct you in the ways of a proper debate as well? :shrug: When you're ready to get serious let me know. But don't step to me without the proper tribute and a decent argument. Play my music!
She needs to learn how to debate??
[quote name='ZERO PHOENIX']But I digress, that requires rationality and we all know that's not your bag.
Like a typical Feminist, there is a prejudice taint to everything you say and think because you yourself are prejudice. There is more wrong with you than this male power structure.
Of course if you had knowledge of any intellectual consequence you would have countered with the Spartans.
You're a gotdamn joke.
Were you born that narrow-minded or did you practice?
The issue with you man hating Feminists is that hating this male dominated world doesn't leave much time to get an education right?
Even if the people have less rights, so long as they are safe that particular issue doesn't matter. You'd know that if you did less raging and more studying.[/QUOTE]
All the personal insults and attacks Ive found in just two posts. Did they never teach you to attack your opponents arguments, and not the person behind them? Its really to bad, because you did make a few good points, but you totally ruined that with this bullshit.
I think at some point Emeralda alluded to the fact that there are radical feminists who might take things too far and give the movement a bad name, which I agree with.