Disappointed anyone?

#21
[quote name='Chalo~08']Well let's just say that America doesnt make cartoons like they used to. Now they are getting more and cheesy and conry by the minute. I still think my nephew is crazy about Ben 10:>.>: Like The Great Observer said The Last Airbender was one only main success in animation they had to date but you gotta admit I think they got allot of help from the Japanese to make it a fine story. That's why they go nuts over animes that make big hits.



On the case of naruto I still watch it despite all you say, in the end just seeing the manga in motion is what counts.:shrug:[/QUOTE]

I watch any and everything that is animated and I gotta say Ben 10 is an awesome concept that they occasionally get right depending on the episode. Now, Avatar was animated mainly in Canada if I recall correctly and you have some japanese animators working as inbetweeners. I know for a fact that the animation studio was not based out of Japan though and the creators wrote all of the episodes with an extra writer in some cases. They did however, bring in so Kung Fu specialist to assist in the animation of the martial arts stances used in the bending.



[quote name='Madara Eternal Mangekyo']I seen some of that " The Last Airbender" but lets be honest there was a lot of work that needed to be done. The style just doesn't compare to Japanese anime and America needs to try some new ideas out first. They are still trying to discover a good suitable style.

On another note you need to add some characters that vary and allow even a tad of blood. The more serious personalities needed to be worked upon. It wasn't bad all and all, but it wasn't anything that interesting either.



Come now even you have to admit this one. The animation is horrible, episode 167 was the final nail in the coffin. Though you could see it coming in episode 166 and I watch with the hope they return to one of the older styles. The current style is cheesy and the combat in motion is disgusting. From my perspective ever since 166 the animation has butchered the original concept and put out a sad excuse for adaptation of a great work.[/QUOTE]



I think it's gonna become a common thing when I post behind you, to tell you to dial back some of that animosity you have. :grin:

I understand what you are saying about the differences in style when it comes to animation between Japan and America. What I don't you take into account is the emphasis placed on animation in each country. In America, cartoons are looked at as childish and don't really play a huge role like it did in the late 80's early 90's. The American politicians have teamed up with some idiotic parents to all but kill cartoons on regular tv unless it has what they consider to be educational value.



Now in Japan, they look at anime as regular tv shows and there is a race to have the next big hit. Almost like the ratings push we have for shows like House, Bones, Fringe, Grey's Anatomy, American Idol, or other prime time shows. Once we see a change in the emphasis on American animation, we will see much better products.
 
#22
[quote name='The Great Observer']I watch any and everything that is animated and I gotta say Ben 10 is an awesome concept that they occasionally get right depending on the episode. Now, Avatar was animated mainly in Canada if I recall correctly and you have some japanese animators working as inbetweeners. I know for a fact that the animation studio was not based out of Japan though and the creators wrote all of the episodes with an extra writer in some cases. They did however, bring in so Kung Fu specialist to assist in the animation of the martial arts stances used in the bending.[/QUOTE]



That is very true, today I still think The last Airbender minus the OMG awful catastrophe that was the movie , is still one the best American/Canadian animated shows I've ever seen. The next season is coming out December and I can't wait. You could say that Ben 10 was also a success, a near one at that, It's a pity they've stopped airing more episodes of Samurai Jack:cry:
 

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#23
[quote name='Madara Eternal Mangekyo']I seen some of that " The Last Airbender" but lets be honest there was a lot of work that needed to be done. The style just doesn't compare to Japanese anime and America needs to try some new ideas out first. They are still trying to discover a good suitable style.[/QUOTE]



I'll agree with that.







[quote name='Madara Eternal Mangekyo']On another note you need to add some characters that vary and allow even a tad of blood. The more serious personalities needed to be worked upon. It wasn't bad all and all, but it wasn't anything that interesting either.[/QUOTE]



This part not so much. Even if you detest America's animation style you have to give due credit to the creators of Avatar. Every movement needs pioneers M.E.M. and they were doing things that no other animators even "thought" about doing. Sure it wasn't on the level of most anime, but considering the type of media culture the team had to place their product against, Avatar was damn good. Most Americans don't take cartoons serious and the creators of Avatar said this is a cartoon, and this is a serious story. On top of that who knows how many of those geniuses in the suits wanted to make Avatar another zany kids show because they just didn't get it? I'd say that given what they were working with (American audiences, and American stereotypes about cartoons) I think they did a damn good job.





[quote name='Madara Eternal Mangekyo']Come now even you have to admit this one. The animation is horrible, episode 167 was the final nail in the coffin. Though you could see it coming in episode 166 and I watch with the hope they return to one of the older styles. The current style is cheesy and the combat in motion is disgusting. From my perspective ever since 166 the animation has butchered the original concept and put out a sad excuse for adaptation of a great work.[/QUOTE]



From my perspective ever since Shippuden episode 1, "the animation has butchered the original concept and put out a sad excuse for adaptation of a great work." With all due respect M.E.M., I'm not dising you or anything but fans are part of the problem. As long as you guys keep watching this crap they'll keep getting their ratings. Even if you watch this crap online they measure how many people watch it somehow. As long as they hit their quota in terms of ratings that's all they care about. And if you guys are content with watching "shit" they're just going to keep making it. That's how this works. Unless they see a noticeable decline in viewership then they aren't going to change what's not broken. Of course unless they see a change in viewership then they aren't going to see the fallacies with the animation. Like I said I'm not coming at you but the fact is, fans who are pissed about the animation can't complain about it on blogs and forums but still tune into this crap every week. Sort of defeats the purpose. Sometimes being a fan means stepping back and refusing to be part of that which is raping your beloved work.







[quote name='Chalo~08']That is very true, today I still think The last Airbender minus the OMG awful catastrophe that was the movie , is still one the best American/Canadian animated shows I've ever seen. The next season is coming out December and I can't wait. You could say that Ben 10 was also a success, a near one at that, It's a pity they've stopped airing more episodes of Samurai Jack:cry:[/QUOTE]



Ben 10 certainly did improve in terms of narrative as time went on. Still, I felt that the character designs in the later series were lacking. Samurai Jack is no loss. I mean sure the story was epic and the animation was stylish but they haven't had any new episodes since what 2004. When a show has been seven years without a new episode then it's time to put it on the shelf.
 
#24
[quote name='The Great Observer']I watch any and everything that is animated and I gotta say Ben 10 is an awesome concept that they occasionally get right depending on the episode. Now, Avatar was animated mainly in Canada if I recall correctly and you have some japanese animators working as inbetweeners. I know for a fact that the animation studio was not based out of Japan though and the creators wrote all of the episodes with an extra writer in some cases. They did however, bring in so Kung Fu specialist to assist in the animation of the martial arts stances used in the bending.







I think it's gonna become a common thing when I post behind you, to tell you to dial back some of that animosity you have. :grin:

I understand what you are saying about the differences in style when it comes to animation between Japan and America. What I don't you take into account is the emphasis placed on animation in each country. In America, cartoons are looked at as childish and don't really play a huge role like it did in the late 80's early 90's. The American politicians have teamed up with some idiotic parents to all but kill cartoons on regular tv unless it has what they consider to be educational value.



Now in Japan, they look at anime as regular tv shows and there is a race to have the next big hit. Almost like the ratings push we have for shows like House, Bones, Fringe, Grey's Anatomy, American Idol, or other prime time shows. Once we see a change in the emphasis on American animation, we will see much better products.[/QUOTE]





It seems so.



Actually was trying to avoid getting into this, but well it has already been brought up. Granted there government and some overproctective idiots do get in the way of anime development in the U.S. I am not denying they took a leap in the right direction against the odds, but it could have been tweeked a bit before being aired.

Many American's have horrible taste, the only show you listed above that is decent is House. The others scare the crap out of me with how corny and boring then end up being.



[quote name='ZERO PHOENIX']I'll agree with that.











This part not so much. Even if you detest America's animation style you have to give due credit to the creators of Avatar. Every movement needs pioneers M.E.M. and they were doing things that no other animators even "thought" about doing. Sure it wasn't on the level of most anime, but considering the type of media culture the team had to place their product against, Avatar was damn good. Most Americans don't take cartoons serious and the creators of Avatar said this is a cartoon, and this is a serious story. On top of that who knows how many of those geniuses in the suits wanted to make Avatar another zany kids show because they just didn't get it? I'd say that given what they were working with (American audiences, and American stereotypes about cartoons) I think they did a damn good job.









From my perspective ever since Shippuden episode 1, "the animation has butchered the original concept and put out a sad excuse for adaptation of a great work." With all due respect M.E.M., I'm not dising you or anything but fans are part of the problem. As long as you guys keep watching this crap they'll keep getting their ratings. Even if you watch this crap online they measure how many people watch it somehow. As long as they hit their quota in terms of ratings that's all they care about. And if you guys are content with watching "shit" they're just going to keep making it. That's how this works. Unless they see a noticeable decline in viewership then they aren't going to change what's not broken. Of course unless they see a change in viewership then they aren't going to see the fallacies with the animation. Like I said I'm not coming at you but the fact is, fans who are pissed about the animation can't complain about it on blogs and forums but still tune into this crap every week. Sort of defeats the purpose. Sometimes being a fan means stepping back and refusing to be part of that which is raping your beloved work.











Ben 10 certainly did improve in terms of narrative as time went on. Still, I felt that the character designs in the later series were lacking. Samurai Jack is no loss. I mean sure the story was epic and the animation was stylish but they haven't had any new episodes since what 2004. When a show has been seven years without a new episode then it's time to put it on the shelf.[/QUOTE]





Well for the first part of the first paragraph I suppose you can just view my reply to TGO for my response.





Yeah I admit the Shippuden animation was far from the best. Part one had much better animation especially near the end subtracting the ending block of fillers. The most recent episode was, so horrible I think I might very well quit. It was disgusting not as bad as 167, but still higher than most.
 
#25
[quote name='Chalo~08']That is very true, today I still think The last Airbender minus the OMG awful catastrophe that was the movie , is still one the best American/Canadian animated shows I've ever seen. The next season is coming out December and I can't wait. You could say that Ben 10 was also a success, a near one at that, It's a pity they've stopped airing more episodes of Samurai Jack:cry:[/QUOTE]

I refused to go see M. Night Shamalan murder an epic adventure and story with his bs arrogance. If not for my brother dropping the bootleg in my ps3 one day, I'd have never seen that expensive garbage. I must agree with Zero on this, Samurai Jack, was no great loss. Don't get me wrong, I loved the show, but it was too episodic to me and not following the basis of the story like it should have. As I see it, Ben10 has the potential and momentum to become an outstanding piece of work if they just find something to direct the series at and then end it.



[quote name='ZERO PHOENIX']

Ben 10 certainly did improve in terms of narrative as time went on. Still, I felt that the character designs in the later series were lacking. Samurai Jack is no loss. I mean sure the story was epic and the animation was stylish but they haven't had any new episodes since what 2004. When a show has been seven years without a new episode then it's time to put it on the shelf.[/QUOTE]



Ben10 not only improved in the story, but also in character development, character designs, and overall animation. They started with disporportionate features on character and the detail was minimal. Man of Action, the creator, also has a good hit with Generator Rex. I watch all this stuff with my 6 year old nephew.



[quote name='Madara Eternal Mangekyo']It seems so.



Actually was trying to avoid getting into this, but well it has already been brought up. Granted there government and some overproctective idiots do get in the way of anime development in the U.S. I am not denying they took a leap in the right direction against the odds, but it could have been tweeked a bit before being aired.

Many American's have horrible taste, the only show you listed above that is decent is House. The others scare the crap out of me with how corny and boring then end up being.[/QUOTE]



Well House and Bones are the only ones I watch and you are entitled to your opinion. I dont watch the others, but I couldn't think of any shows at the time. I don't think that American's have horrible tastes, its just different from the rest of the world. Oh well.