School Shootout

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#3
It's going to be great how the media is now going to shoot the entire story from the "this could've been prevented' side. Always gotta blame somebody...
 

Nori

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#4
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Darksage @ April 17, 2007, 3:10 PM) [snapback]6077[/snapback]</div>
It's going to be great how the media is now going to shoot the entire story from the "this could've been prevented' side. Always gotta blame somebody...[/b]
Yes! "The media" are assholes. The only one I see at fault is the shooter (who's dead now), and that's it.
 

Archangel

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#6
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nori @ April 17, 2007, 6:21 PM) [snapback]6094[/snapback]</div>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Darksage @ April 17, 2007, 3:10 PM) [snapback]6077[/snapback]
It's going to be great how the media is now going to shoot the entire story from the "this could've been prevented' side. Always gotta blame somebody...[/b]
Yes! "The media" are assholes. The only one I see at fault is the shooter (who's dead now), and that's it.
[/b][/quote]

I disagree wuth you there cuz yes he is to blame for this (thats a no doubt) but are you really going to tell me that this couldn't be prevented???? What he did is unbelievable ,sad and im alittle tick off about what he did. The thing is there is a reason why he did this (it really didnt have to happen)he was bullied ,made fun of and pushed to a corner where he felt that he could not run away from. Yes he is to blame for this whole mess but I want them to find the people that cuased him to do this. He had to be builed on a everyday basis to get to the point were he was at,and by law they should be punished its called Involuntary Manslaughter .
People were killed by their action even tho they didnt do the killing,and there noway your going to tell me that Oh they didnt know that he was going to kill 32 people. Well any person that has any morals or self respect should know that those types of actions are uncalled for , I mean its not the first time we seen people start killing others cuz they were picked on. Please dont get me wrong im not trying to defend him or his action (i hope he rotts in HELL) but yes there are some people that have to punsished for wat they did, they are equally responible for this like it or not.
 

Nori

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#7
There are other ways to handle your problems, despite your life being a mess. Killing people senselessly isn't called for in any way. He is still the only one at fault. Many people are bullied throughout this country, he just took it upon him self to be a little bitch, and try take the easy way out, and taking his issues out on other people.

Another thing is, most people who bully each other, have there own issues, but you don't see a bully go out and kill people.

And another thing. Everyone has issues!!!! But those that don't have any common sense and kill because they don't seek help from people are once again the ones at fault.

I don't know, I feel for the ones that were killed, but the guy that did it was a little fuckin pussy bitch, to go out and do such a dumb ass thing. And then for him to take his own life afterward, shows that he's a coward. He didn't fulfill a damn thing.

You know what though, I forgive him, because I'm supposed to.....
 

Archangel

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nori @ April 19, 2007, 6:20 PM) [snapback]6169[/snapback]</div>
There are other ways to handle your problems, despite your life being a mess. Killing people senselessly isn't called for in any way. He is still the only one at fault. Many people are bullied throughout this country, he just took it upon him self to be a little bitch, and try take the easy way out, and taking his issues out on other people.

Another thing is, most people who bully each other, have there own issues, but you don't see a bully go out and kill people.

And another thing. Everyone has issues!!!! But those that don't have any common sense and kill because they don't seek help from people are once again the ones at fault.

I don't know, I feel for the ones that were killed, but the guy that did it was a little fuckin pussy bitch, to go out and do such a dumb ass thing. And then for him to take his own life afterward, shows that he's a coward. He didn't fulfill a damn thing.

You know what though, I forgive him, because I'm supposed to.....[/b]
Thats true everybody has issue but not everyone takes the same issue the same way . What you may look at as a big problem i may see it as nothing bigger than a mosquito bite . Yes he is at fault but like I said before there are other by fault aswell . To be honest you can hate the fact that he was a coward ( I do) but that doesnt change the law . If i got out and mess with someone to the point were they go kill someone, Im screwed. Also he was looking for help , he was on meds , he saw a physiologist and it even sounds like he tried Christianity and none help him. Wat somethings might work for you might not work for me, so you cant judge him on that basis and how the hell is KILLING 33 people and then killing yourself the easy way out, if it so easy why arent more people doing it. Yea im pissed that he did that BUT are you really going to tell me it ok for him to be builled to the point that he felt that he had no opions left?????He should have not done wat he did , but he's not the only one at fault. Yeah there are alot of people that are builed and dont go out and kill people ,but if you take a atick and keep on poking someone its going to bite back.If people would have more respect for other we wouldnt be talking about this, and thats the truth. You cant expect everyone that being bullied deal with the problem the same way.Were all different and im sorry to say but the ones that bullied keeped on throwing gas into the fire and they should be punished aswell , for they are equal in this crime.

Also one last thing you said he didnt fulfill a damn thing but to him he did . He has gotten all the attention that he always wanted, becuase of him they will change laws , changed security. He also will change some people views on Society , and also (wat I hate the most) there will be retards that will look up to him to the point as if he was a Savoir. He accomplished everything he wanted and more, so he did do something even if I hate the fact that he did. The US publics schools change the last time this happend and they even made a movie about it. This time the change maybe greater( I hope not)
 

Nori

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#9
How foolish. There's a big ass line between being bullied (everyday-forever) and taken a life!!!!! Thirty two at that, then his own. I see your point, but to me it's complete bullshit.

It's a cowards way out because, there's always a better way to deal with anything rather than kill people that had nothing to do with the bullshit you went through, during your life. That's like saying because the next door neighbor on my right hit my car I'm going to sue the next door neighbor to the left of me.
 

Archangel

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nori @ April 19, 2007, 10:41 PM) [snapback]6183[/snapback]</div>
How foolish. There's a big ass line between being bullied (everyday-forever) and taken a life!!!!! Thirty two at that, then his own. I see your point, but to me it's complete bullshit.

It's a cowards way out because, there's always a better way to deal with anything rather than kill people that had nothing to do with the bullshit you went through, during your life. That's like saying because the next door neighbor on my right hit my car I'm going to sue the next door neighbor to the left of me.[/b]
Yea i feel ya , I know wat your saying.The way he killed people that had nothing to do with his problems is bullshit or even killing anyone is bullshit , but Im not going to sit back and watch people that made him feel that he had to do this get away with it. I believe they should go to jail for about 20 years (the norm for involntary Manslaughter) .Yes he did it, hes dead there nothing anyone can do about it,but they can find the reasons why he did it . Its just the way the law works in the US if your name is said on anything you can get punished even if you didnt do anything . I want to see them being punished and make examples out of them and MAYBE JUST MAYBE people will be more carefull about wat they say to others. We can say this and that about him but we got to look at the whole picture to so that we can learn from this and hope that it doesnt happen again. The facts are they pushed ,pushed and pushed him to the point where he went on a rampage , do you know how hard it is to push someone that much to do that , thats hard as shit. Think about it for a sec the guy knew wat he was doing ,he has a brain , think about how much people would have to mess with you to get at that point a shitload right, they cracked him, he snapped and thats something thats not easy to do and it takes time ,suffering and a shitload of pain.All im tryng to say this didnt have to happen it takes so much time for that amount of pain to build up,and you reap wat you sow.
 
#11
I disagree Sanji... Human beings always play the blame game, so what do we do when the murderer takes his own life? We can't punish a dead guy, no twisted satisfaction in that, so we blame someone else. The fact that this could have been prevented does not mean that the people who could have prevented it should be blamed. Let's blame some survivors too then, they could have all swarmed the guy at once, he would have shot a few perhaps but with 15+ people running at you, you're eventumally going to be taken down, that way only 2-3 people would have been killed not 30+. See how stupid it gets?

The security at Virginia Tech could have stopped it. Okay, agreed. But is it their fault? No. It's sad that we think schools should have to expect gun violence.
 

Archangel

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#12
I see your point but all I was trying to say if I go out and tick someone off to the point that he kills someone . I will get charge with inVoluntary Manslaughter , cuz no I didnt kill anyone but I gave the person a motive and because my action were reckless/uncalled for . Even if I didnt know he would go kill soemone , I still would get screwed.
 

Nori

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#13
Pissin someone off isn't a motive to kill someone. At the least beatin the shit out of them, but not kill. Me pissin you off obviously didn't take your life away so how does you killing me resolve that problem.

Also, that is not what involuntary manslaughter is. I had to look it up because that made no sense to me.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div>
MANSLAUGHTER, INVOLUNTARY - In order for a person to be found guilty of involuntary manslaughter the government must prove that someone was killed as a result of an act by the person;

Second, in the circumstances existing at the time, the person's act either was by its nature dangerous to human life or was done with reckless disregard for human life; and

Third, the person either knew that such conduct was a threat to the lives of others or knew of circumstances that would reasonably cause the person to foresee that such conduct might be a threat to the lives of others.[/b]
That is what involuntary manslaughter is. So pissin someone off to the point of killing would not be considered such.
 

Archangel

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#14
MANSLAUGHTER, INVOLUNTARY - In order for a person to be found guilty of involuntary manslaughter the government must prove that someone was killed as a result of an act by the person;

Second, in the circumstances existing at the time, the person's act either was by its nature dangerous to human life or was done with reckless disregard for human life; and

Third, the person either knew that such conduct was a threat to the lives of others or knew of circumstances that would reasonably cause the person to foresee that such conduct might be a threat to the lives of others.


To convict some one you only need two of those three points not all three.Yes it can be debated and go either way, but from wat Ive learn from my research on the shooter is that at times he was beat,spit on and he had even brought the problem to others during his freshman year. It seems that nothing changed tho and he had made threats before about doing wat he did.
 

Archangel

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#16
Im say that cuz to charge you with it they only need two of those 3 points not all three BUT you will need more info to support your facts...
 

Nori

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#17
Two out of the three.

So even if you had the first 1. There's no way they could prove the 2nd and 3rd, in this scenario. No one knows who bullied this guy. Bullying honestly isn't dangerous to human life, unless they pushed him off a bridge or building or something.
 

Archangel

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#18
Like i said it can be debated , Becuase you can say they knew this could happend which they did ( he said threats about doing wat he did , also they were before about there action) .So your secound one wold be(foresee that such conduct MIGHT be a threat to the lives of others.)
 
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Sanji @ April 21, 2007, 3:03 PM) [snapback]6228[/snapback]</div>
I see your point but all I was trying to say if I go out and tick someone off to the point that he kills someone . I will get charge with inVoluntary Manslaughter , cuz no I didnt kill anyone but I gave the person a motive and because my action were reckless/uncalled for . Even if I didnt know he would go kill soemone , I still would get screwed.[/b]
Thats retarded. so, if I piss you off and you kill someone else and NOT me, I am blamed?
 

Archangel

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#20
It would depend on wat you did to me and the degree of wat you did.(meaning if it was for a long peroid of time in which i was mental affected by your comments or actions )