So before anyone claims that I don't know anything about Islam and I just wiki to find info, let me reassure you that I do more than, in fact, I have taken Islamic Studies during my period in school and my mentors were certified scholars from the Al-Azhar College(Yes, they were Egyptians).
I have bought several books pertaining Islam, most of them are Sira(Chronicles) of the Prophet Mohammed and Tafsir(Elucidations of the Holy Quran) - Yes, I don't just have a copy of Quran in English, but a whole sets and volumes of tomes in the Arabic language.
This picture is a testimony for that.
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"And the heaven We built with Our own powers (aydin) and indeed We go on expanding it (musi'un)."(51:48)
The theory gives us a better understanding of how the universe was initially created. It explained us the step by step process of creation, in a manner which perfectly falls into step with the theory of the Big Bang.
First step:
"Do not the unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were a closed-up mass (ratqan), then We clove them asunder (fataqna)? And We made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe?"(21:31)
The basic message of this verse is covered by two words:
Ratqan: Closed-up mass.
Fataqna:Clove them asunder.
These words give two meanings in the arabic translation:
The 1st Meaning:the coming together of something and the consequent infusion into a single entity' and the
The 2nd meaning is: 'total darkness'. Both these meanings are significantly applicable. [/quote]
1)False and False. What just our heathen friend -lexus- said, that those verses are heavily fuzzy and vague, and hundred and thousand of interpretation can be conceived from them.
First of all, this how the verse goes.
"Wal Samma' Baninaha Baiad Wa Inna Al-Mos'owon"
Let's get one thing clear.
Samma' means two thing: The literal sky, the heaven. And sometimes, in the Ancient times, they were used
interchangeably, and in fact, the sky that we see, what beyond that lies the heaven.
The one with the 7 layers(actually, floors, not layers) of sky, he was referring to the heaven. Proof of this is when he went to the Isra and Miirage, where he met.
"Then Gabriel ascended with me till we reached the second heaven. Gabriel asked for the gate to be opened. It was asked: 'Who is it?' Gabriel answered: 'Gabriel.' It was asked: 'Who is accompanying you?' Gabriel replied, 'Muhammad.' It was asked: 'Has he been called?' Gabriel answered in the affirmative. Then it was said: 'He is welcomed. What an excellent visit his is!' The gate was opened. "When I went over the second heaven, there I saw John (Yahya) and Jesus (Isa), who were cousins of each other. Gabriel said (to me): 'These are John and Jesus; pay them your greetings.' So I greeted them and both of them returned my greetings to me and said, 'You are welcomed, 0 pious brother and pious Prophet.'"
Source
So, it's evident that Prophet Mohammad or Quran, from the above quote as a hard proof(if you are so much reliant on scriptures), that they were not referring to Stratosphere or Exosphere(which is obviously a layer of void i.e nothing).
So basically, that's not the "Universe" that's expanding, but actually the "Heaven". Ousana(musi'un), here, means, that we made it vast, as in to garnish it.
A QURANIC SCIENTIFIC ERROR
I don't know if you were looking into the following verses, but it's says this:
"And the earth, We have laid it out (as) a bedding, so how excellent are the Smoothers! (i.e., Those who make the earth as a cradle)"
We all know, after taking a nice lesson in geography and geology, EARTH IS NOT FLAT! And so claims the Quran, that Earth is flat.
"And of everything We created pairs, that possibly you would be mindful."
I am so mindful that I know there are organisms that does not need a pair(Unisexuals), that needs another pair not of the opposite sex(Hermaphrodites), have but do not need a pair(Parthenogenic). Bee, worms, snails, turkies, unicellular organisms, plants; You see, if you observe carefully, these things needs no "pairs" to propagate. Yes, there are plants that are bisexuals, and actually have both of sexes in ONE species(obviously one pair). But lower plants uses somatic cells to reproduce, simply. They need no pair, but the Quran claims the opposite.
You see, in the same time, you try to use a verse, and modified it so that it can be compatible with science and scientific theories. But then again, you miss the next few verses that are plainly flawed and contradicting empirical science.
2) I don't know why Muslims sees a nice translation and turn everything they see into a scientific miracle when it actually isn't. Especially the two verses you have brought.
You see, those who translated the Quran made sure it sounds nice in English, but when we hear it from the actual Arabic verses:
"An Al-Samawat Wa-Al-Ard Kanata Ratqa Fafataqnahuma Wa Jalana Men Al-Ma Kul Shai Hai."
Ratqa literal meaning is patched up - Meaning there were boarders in between heaven and Earth - they weren't "the coming together of something and the consequent infusion into a single entity(whatever that means" as you, from no where, suddenly claim. What you have just done is modified a quranic verse so that it can match up a scientific theory.
They(God always refer to himself in plural personal pronouns - many Gods?) removed the borders(
fafataqna); the following sentences of the same verse:
"Wa Jalna Men Al-Ma Kul Shai Hai"
says exactly that from the heavens down came the rain, and from it, everything become living. Oh my God... How you... shame shame...
In the field of Abiogenesis, non of the models included water as primary source for organisms to exist(may be later, because we are hydrocarbonic organisms). Plant is a new organisms, actually pre-historic, but not beyond that -- plant needed a way to make sugar to grow, that needed water(relied on rain). Water in ocean is not considered a source, because water is heavily saturated with salts and other minerals. Only 1% of earth sea and ocean are usable, for that aforementioned fact. Other unicellular organisms needn't water for metabolism or anything at all. In fact, some organisms live without touching water. Some bacteria live in volcanoes and feeds on sulphur and other inorganic minerals - which implies that in other planets, there are some sulphur-based or phosphorus-based organisms living and evolving right now feeding on something that contains no water. So, no, not all Living organisms need water or from water they begin.
We all know how Earth was made, if anyone with a sense in their head, it's not like that.
Total Darkness? Allah knows from where you brought this false idea.
There are many thing that contradicts science in Quran, but some people love to omit them and use the ones which sounds, with a little bit of literal tweaking and twisting of actual meaning, a bit more compatible with science.
Clove asunder... you know, I had to check my dictionary to see what they mean, actually.
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But the prophet claims that it was not picked up like that, rather, the word of god. [/quote]Prophet
claims many things my dear.
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Tell that to Clapp and the English researcher Thomas. - nothing hard.[/quote]
I told to Clapp and Tom that Iram of the pillars is 1) An ancient lost cities like Sodom and Gomorrah that was passed down in lore - that were actually there.
2) That Iram is a descented of a Jewish King.
[quote name='Undead-Cookie' timestamp='1306659171' post='140265']Do clarify the date and who these old philosophers are.[/quote]Aristotle, and whomever came after.
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Looking forward to it.[/quote]Will do, my dear, will do.
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Encyclopaedia Britannica
Academic American Encyclopaedia[/quote]Oops! I thought you meant 14th millennia, and not century. What was the claim again, and tell me the verse, puweez, thank you.
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The Qura'n also mentions about the expansion of the universe.
Could you refer to my previous post, I've included the verse which goes through the subject.
Thanks.[/quote]Auwezbillah Men Al-Shaitan Al-Rajeem Bismillah Al-Rahaman Al-Raheem
"I have cloven your "universe" expansion argument asunder." Biomega Chapter 27 Page 18
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And if you were to ask, who created god, then who is the one who created the one who created god? The chain goes on, however, when logic is applied,we can infer that there must be one source which neither has a beginning nor an ending. (similarly to the theory of energy- Energy can neither be created nor destroyed), and that is whom we believe as god.(Allah - Arabic translation for the word god)
The same logic for the universe cannot be
[/quote]Who created the Matter or the "Intelligent being" in an infinite time=space continuum? But you know how Allah responded, no, you have to be a Muslim to know the answer when you meet him in Judgement day. Nice one Allah.
False,
Rab or
Illah is the meaning of
God in Arabic. Allah, is the name of the God of the Abrahamic religion(since it is used by Arab Jews and Christian)
If a God is a so techno-complex God, then why did he put forth silly things like Prayer and Hajj and banned Alcohol(amazingly, in three steps), and made Homosexuality a sin?
You see, that's why I am a Muslim from outside, it's because I am driven by fear, and not driven by love or mercy. If I denounce my religion, it's off with my head, you see. How can you call this religion of Peace if it dictates murderous and inhumane act backed up by irrational dogmas?
If there is a God(of supernatural kind - which I doubt of their existence), he should Punish or Reward us for our deeds(Karma, in the essence), and not because of how many time I bow to him. It's useless to make Du'a for my Hidaet, because I did the same for other Infidels, but it it didn't work, unfortunately.
I am not dissuading you from your beliefs, because that's the role of the Shaitan, and not mine. Be a devout Muslims, if that's what you are going to be, just don't inject your beliefs or acts of your beliefs into others.
All I am presenting here is the neutral truth, and nothing else.
Allah bless you my Brother.
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@Biomega
Spoiler does not seems to work currently, you may need to just provide the link for the moment.[/quote]The normal spoiler work, the one with the text seems malfunctioned(this is after the shift).
Please forgive me.
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ie:harmful substances were also produced in the experiment; Tar and Carboxylic acids).No?